“The difference between confidence and arrogance is evidence. Boston gave me the ability to train like a 2:04 guy without it being irrational. That’s the greatest thing this race could have done for me.”

My guest for today’s episode is Charles Hicks: the 24-year-old Nike athlete, Stanford alum and former NCAA Cross Country Champion who just ran 2:04:35 at the 2026 Boston Marathon. That’s the second-fastest marathon ever run by an American and it’s only his second marathon. He did the entire build on simulated altitude — not a single breath of real mountain air outside of a layover in Denver — which may make him the fastest sea-level-trained marathoner in history.

Charles turned to the marathon two years ago, not at his own suggestion but at coach Jerry Schumacher’s. He ran 13:09 for 5K in his first year as a pro, looked too comfortable in his long runs, and Jerry pulled him aside and said: I think this is the event. What followed was a nine-month racing gap, the Cherry Blossom 10-miler that validated everything, a 2:09 New York debut without a watch where he negative-split the course, and then Boston.

In this conversation, Charles breaks down the full arc of how we got here — his COVID-era decision to just run 12 miles every single day in the Florida heat, his framework for thinking about volume as a decade-long project, the Nike prototype shoe, the famous heart rate mystery on Strava, and what it actually felt like to see 2:03 on the homestretch when he’d gone in thinking 2:06 would be a phenomenal day.

He also tells us whether the track door is shut, what he thinks about Chicago versus New York for this fall, and what the difference is between confidence and arrogance.

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Host: Chris Chavez | ⁠⁠@chris_j_chavez

Guest: Charles Hicks | @_charleshicks

Produced by: Jasmine Fehr | ⁠⁠⁠@jasminefehr

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“No clocks on the course. I had average pace and current pace on my watch, nothing else. I popped into the finishing stadium and I thought the clock said 2:09. Then two seconds later I realized it said 2:05. I was like: what is going on today?”

My guest for today’s episode is Vincent Mauri. You’re probably wondering: Who?! Well, we’ll answer that question in the next hour.

On Sunday morning in Toledo, Ohio, the 24-year-old biomedical engineering graduate and shoe store employee from Youngstown ran 2:05:53 in his marathon debut. He has no agent. No sponsor. There’s no half marathon results on his resume. No coach. His last tracked competitive result was a 5K at the ACC Championships in 2025 where he got lapped by Ethan Strand and Gary Martin. And the race he ran on Sunday only existed because the one he originally signed up for got canceled three days out.

Vinny trained himself, entirely, averaging 110 miles a week, two big sessions, a long Sunday run and a double threshold Tuesday, a lot of work on treadmills at Planet Fitness through a brutal Ohio winter and doing almost all of it in non-super shoes. He built his training philosophy from fragments of five different college coaches, leaned heavily on weight training and fueling discipline that had broken him in college.

On race day, ran a race with no clocks, no pace group, no rabbit, and no idea he was running 2:05 until the finishing stadium clock told him so. Vinny walks through the entire arc from his time at Arizona State and Notre Dame, the coaching changes, the injuries, the post-college reset at the shoe store, the training block that nobody was watching, and the race itself.

We also get into the immediate aftermath with people online trying to process this in real time, him reaching out to USADA himself and what he thinks he actually needs to take this from a stunning debut to a sustainable elite career.

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Host: Chris Chavez | ⁠⁠@chris_j_chavez

Guest: Vincent Mauri | @vinny.mauri

Produced by: Jasmine Fehr | ⁠⁠⁠@jasminefehr

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WAHOO: With the Wahoo KICKR RUN, you can simulate the exact Boston or London Marathon course right in your own home. You can also use the run free mode, which uses sensors to automatically match the belt speed to your stride. No buttons, no interruptions, no breaking your flow. ⁠When you use code CITIUS at checkout, you'll also get a free KICKR Headwind Smart Fan. Check it out today at wahoofitness.com.

OLIPOP: Raspberry Sherbet is a limited-edition, nostalgic new flavor that blends tangy raspberry with creamy vanilla. Every can of Olipop contains their Olismart blend, which includes ingredients designed to support digestive health and help feed your gut microbiome. If you haven't had tried Olipop yet, grab a can and see what the hype is all about!⁠⁠ Head to DrinkOlipop.com and use code CITIUS25 at checkout to get 25% off your orders.⁠⁠

In an emergency episode of the CITIUS MAG Podcast, Chris Chavez and Preet Majithia react to one of the most historic moments in distance running: Sabastian Sawe becoming the first athlete to officially break two hours in the marathon in a record-eligible race, running 1:59:30 at the London Marathon.

They break down how it happened: highlighting the blistering negative split, the late-race surge, and the role of Yomif Kejelcha pushing the pace in his debut. The conversation explores every factor behind the performance: race tactics, depth of field, super shoe innovation, fueling, weather, and the psychological barrier finally falling.

What does this mean for the future of the marathon? How repeatable is sub-2? And how do we process this?

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Hosts: Chris Chavez | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@chris_j_chavez⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ + Preet Majithia | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@preet_athletics⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Produced by: Jasmine Fehr |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠@jasminefehr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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WAHOO: With the Wahoo KICKR RUN, you can simulate the exact Boston or London Marathon course right in your own home. You can also use the run free mode, which uses sensors to automatically match the belt speed to your stride. No buttons, no interruptions, no breaking your flow.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠When you use code CITIUS at checkout, you'll also get a free KICKR Headwind Smart Fan. Check it out today at wahoofitness.com.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

OLIPOP: Olipop’s Tropical Punch tastes like a vacation in a can. It has the perfect balance of pineapple, passionfruit, mandarin, and apple. Every can contains their Olismart blend, which includes ingredients designed to support digestive health and help feed your gut microbiome. If you haven't had tried Olipop yet, grab a can and see what the hype is all about!⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Head to DrinkOlipop.com and use code CITIUS25 at checkout to get 25% off your orders.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

XENDURANCE: When you finish a hard workout, the work isn't actually done. That's when recovery starts. Xendurance Protein is designed specifically to help your body recover, rebuild, and get stronger after training. It combines four different types of protein, so your body gets both fast absorbing protein for immediate recovery and slower release protein to support muscle repair over time. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check it out at Xendurance.com and use code CITIUS for 25% off your first order.