In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about some major misconceptions. It all starts with an experience walking down Oxford Street and being left with a multitude of questions.

They dive into words like repent and sinner and what they meant at the time of Jesus in 1st century Palestine. They talk about the courage to think differently and to challenge our assumptions, and they go on to explore how those with power can use narratives to control.

They even try to unpack the influence of the Mediaeval Church and a novel by Dante that have shaped so much understanding and theology today. This is a big conversation that covers some big ideas that we believe we must wrestle with and when we do, it literally changes everything.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about raising one another's humanity. They discuss the need to face up to the dehumanising that we see in society and the impact when othering starts and blame is directed towards those who are different to us.

They explore together just how powerful it is to know people by name, to listen to and learn about their storey, and to always, always, always raise our humanity and connection above everything else.

And through it all, they come to understand that when we choose to humanise rather than blame, we are transformed along with the world around us. That makes this conversation a must listen.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about joy as an act of resistance.

When things feel despairing, we can still seek out joy.

Being able to dwell in joy takes planning and intention, and in time, what we do deliberately becomes second nature to us.

Even when surrounded by despair, whether it’s eating together, singing together or serving together, joy can be the outcome from which everyone benefits.

In these acts, we declare that a different way is possible.

We pray this episode helps you to see all the joy that does exist in the world, even amongst chaos and uncertainty.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about great expectations. They chat through how we can get stuck in maintenance, creating dependency rather than challenging injustice and reaching for progress.

They think about how vital it is to not settle, but to keep pushing for the fullest of lives as we live into our God given potential, living at our peak, loving God and our neighbour as ourselves.

Inclusion is always about more than going beyond what is and keeping on, keeping on. We pray you find possibility for yourself and others in this conversation.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about finding our way in uncertainty. How do they handle it? How do they find a way of living with and within, ambiguity?

Together, they talk about fears and wonderings and remember that listening to one another really matters. Holding on to those around us brings us strength and courage, especially because things don't always work out.

It's just how life goes sometimes. But the invitation of uncertainty is to lean into our individual and shared courage. And maybe, however small that might feel, hold on as we move through what feels untethered.

What a fantastic and tender conversation.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about what happens when the computer says no and when process becomes their priority at the expense of their relationships with one another.

Doing this can make us slow rather than helping us to be nimble, able to flex and, move forward to achieve vision and mission. So together they explore how vital it is that all process and regulation keeps the main thing.

The main thing the preciousness of every person and their thriving and being willing to buck the system. When this has been forgotten, this feels like a timely conversation, rediscovering our sacred belonging to one another.

It always matters. For this, we must be courageous.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about resilience. They uncover that resilience can be good and bad and can take many forms. So what ultimately matters are the values and beliefs that our resilience is rooted in.

Ultimately, they can't discuss resilience without talking about our motives that are driving us, they think through what our resilience will look like if it's founded on loving God and loving others as ourselves.

And in the desire to serve and to give, they recognise that this kind of resilience doesn't just happen, we build it over time through leaning into the struggle and complexity of life.

This was such an energising and joyous conversation.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about how to become a person who is trusted by others. Trust takes a long time and it's all built on the foundation of good relationship.

They explore how trust is like money in the bank that we accrue and can spend. And most significantly, they recognise that becoming a trustworthy person means means being authentic, doing what we say we will do, being rooted and motivated by values centred on love and goodness and never self interest.

Trust is sacred and needs to be handled accordingly. The purpose of trust is to see goodness come in the world.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.